Passenger Cars of the South Park

Coach #16, #17, #22 & #24 - Page 3

“Bowers-Dure” Coaches

DSP&P

 U.P. 1885 DL&G 1889 C&S 1899 C&S 1906
#16 #59 #59 #155 #50
#17 #60 #60 #156 #51
#22 #61 #61 #157 #52
#24 #62 Gone Gone Gone


PHOTOGRAPHS & PLANS

(Photos with Source and Page in blue are best to show car details.)

# DATE PHOTOG. LOCATION SOURCE PAGE C REMARKS
  1880s Joseph Collier Nathrop Digerness2 286(d) DD DSP&P coach #16?
Ferrell/SoPk 60 DP
Kindig 41 DP
DPL WHC #C-155 or #X-11123 DP
(1) 1883? W.H. Jackson near Hortense* Chappell 46(u) CM DSP&P coach   #17
Digerness2 288(d) RR
Ferrell/C&S 17(u) NA
Ferrell/SoPk 67 CW
  1883? W.H. Jackson Heywood Springs Ferrell/SoPk 68 MF DSP&P coach   #17
  1883? W.H. Jackson near Cascades* Chappell 46(d) CM DSP&P coach   #17
Digerness2 295(u) RR
Ferrell/SoPk 75 BJ
Helmers 136(u) VH
Poor 196(ME)(d) FR
  1883? c. 1885 W.H. Jackson Chalk Creek Canyon* Helmers 135(d) DP DSP&P coach #16, #17, #22 or #24
Kindig 42(d) DP
(2) 1883? W.H. Jackson near St. Elmo* Chappell 47(u) DP DSP&P coach #24?
Digerness2 295(d) DD
Ferrell/SoPk 77 GO
Helmers 136(d) CH
Poor 204(ME) DP
DPL WHC #WHJ-1293 or WHJ-1424
***		 DP
(3) c. 1884 Joseph Collier Atlantic Digerness2 324(d) DD 2 middle cars are Bowers-Dure; nearer is DSP&P coach #16; farther is DSP&P coach #17, #22 or #24
Ferrell/SoPk 90 PR
Helmers 157(m) DP
Kindig 311(d) RR
DPL WHC #C-109 DP
  1885 C.W. Erdlen / H.D. Newton Atlantic Digerness2 324(u) DD 2nd car from lens is DSP&P coach #59, #60, #61 or #62
Ferrell/SoPk 122 CM
Speas 72(r) RR
  1885 Sept 6 Unknown Pitkin Helmers 165 TM 3rd car from left is DSP&P coach #59, #60, #61 or #62
Kindig 322(d) DP
  no date Unknown Unknown Ferrell/SoPk 118 MF Coach behind B-M-X is DSP&P coach #59, #60, #61 or #62
  c. 1888 George E. Mellon Cascades Chappell 76(u) RK 1st car is DSP&P coach #59, #60, #61 or #62
Ferrell/SoPk 74 BJ
Kindig 43 WG
  1888 Unknown Idaho Springs Hauck 99(u) CM 1st car is DSP&P coach #59, #60, #61 or #62
  n.d. Unknown Trout Cr. Canyon Speas 62(d) RR DSP&P coach #59, #60, #61 or #62
(4) early 1890s H.H. Buckwalter Pine Grove Digerness1 173(u) CH DL&G coach #59 (to right beyond freight cars)
Digerness1 402 DD
Ehernberger/UP 49 RK
Ferrell/SoPk 225 BJ
Kindig 388(u) CH
DPL WHC #CHS-B247 DP
  1890s H.L. Glore Grant Kindig 398(u) FR 2nd car is DL&G coach #59, #60 or #61
  1893 H.H. Buckwalter Leadville Digerness1 326(d) DD 2nd car is DL&G coach #59, #60 or #61
Kindig 296 FR
  1895 Unknown Morrison Digerness1 122/23 DD 2nd car is DL&G coach #59, #60 or #61
  1892-
   1898		 Irving Mathias Van Brunt Morrison DPL WHC #X-11181 DP Dark photo but shows DL&G coach #59, #60 or #61 with bullnose roof
  1896 April 30 H.D. Newton East Portal** Chappell 78(u) FR DL&G coach #59, #60 or #61 together with DL&G coach-baggage #703 0r #704
Digerness2 320(d) RR
Ferrell/SoPk 123 MF
Helmers 157(u) FR
Kindig 396(d) GH
Wagner 14 FR
  1896 April 30 H.D. Newton Palisades** Digerness2 346 RR DL&G coach #59, #60 or #61 together with DL&G coach-baggage #703 0r #704
(5) 1894? Late 1890s? H.H. Buckwalter Atlantic Siding Digerness2 323 RR Coach 2nd from right is DL&G coach #59, #60 or #61
Ferrell/SoPk 153 WA
Speas 80 RR
  1894? Late 1890s H.H. Buckwalter Atlantic Siding Helmers 157(d) CH Coach 2nd from right, lettered UP is DL&G coach #59, #60 or #61
Kindig 311(u) FM
DPL WHC #CHS-B117 or #CHS-B273 DP
  c. 1903 Unknown Morrison Poole 204 LH Car on left is C&S coach #155, #156 or #157
  1905 N/a N/a Wagner 329 NA C&S #155-157 diagram page
(6) 1927 (1936??) R.B. Jackson Denver Ferrell/C&S 209(ul) NA C&S coach #51
Ferrell/SoPk 358 RJ
Kindig 389(dr) NA
Poole 192 PR
* Same train
** Same train
*** This is NOT the same photo as Kindig-9 and online (Image 001-388-DI-72 in the Pikes Peak Library District Digital Photograph Archives). Critical analysis of the Kindig-9 and online images suggests that it -
bulletis of a different locomotive (cab roof & pilot supports are different).
bulletshould be dated about 1880/81 rather than 1883 (construction train, different season).
bulletis of a D&RG train (car lettering, "Baldwin" look to locomotive, fact that D&RG operated two daily passenger trains between Nathrop and Alpine (Fisher) until December of 1881, as part of the joint operating agreement).

C&S coaches #50-#52 car diagram

Car diagram for C&S coaches #50-52 updated through 1916. (Note this is not a scale drawing.) Click pic for enlargement.


SUMMARY

DSP&P No. #17 #22 #16 #24
1885 U.P. No. #60 #61 #59 #62
1889 DL&G No. #60 #61 #59 Gone
1899 C&S No. #156 #157 #155
1906 C&S No. #51 #52 #50
Car Type Coach
Capacity
(seats)		 1885 23
1905 22
1916 18 22 Gone
Builder Bowers, Dure & Co.
Date Built 1874
Acquired From Atchison Topeka & Santa Fe
Delivery Date May 1880
Cost $2,200 each
Length Over Endsills 35'-0"
Length Over Roof Aprons (1905/16) 40'-10" 40'-2" Gone
Length Over Buffers 1905 42'-6"
1916 42'-6"
Truck Centers 1905 25'-0"
1916 25'-0"
Wheel Size 1885 24"
1905 26" Gone
1916 26"
Truck Wheelbase 1905 5'-0"
1916 5'-6" 5'-0"
Width 1905 8'-0"
1916 8'-0"
Height of Body 1916 8'-11"
Body Above Rails 1916 36"
Weight 1905 34,200 lbs.
1912 17 tons
1916 34,200 lbs. 39,540 lbs. 34,200 lbs.
Platform Roof 1885 Hooded
1894 Bullnose Gone
Heating Stoves
Lighting Oil lamps
  1905 Ash-finished oak Ash Gone
Interior Finish 1916 Ash-finished oak Ash
Termination Date 1928 1928 1887
Termination Method Dismantled Dismantled Dropped from roster


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